Oh wow! Did a.r.s. change its format? So much easier to read now. Anyway...
I'm not sure what to say...I don't feel entirely comfy commenting until we hear from Brett himself about how this came to be. BUT, if it is true that the Co$ pressured him into pulling his film out of circulation (which is completely believable based on the reputation the Co$ has for stopping critics from exercising their Free Speech rights), then I will not be at all surprised--but I will be outraged. And I will hope the media gets wind of this story and that the Co$ gets even more well-deserved criticism than this film itself would have ever brought them.
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by Kerry on Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:29 am
Ditto. And no, the format's different on different servers. I was looking for the Google version of a.r.s. and that's what I found. It was just a lark, I've finally figured out after several years only ( 
) how to read the other format. Glad you like it. You can get to it by typing, without quotes,
alt.religion.scientology
into a Google (has to be a Google) search. The format I found is link #6 on the first page. It Is a lot easier on the eyes. Now folks just have to figure out which posters are worth reading (IYO of course!) and which are trolls and CoS Ops/spammers - and there are HEAPS of the latter two there together with a bunch of cross-postings occasionally from other newsgroups, so it can appear to be a complete zoo. But the "speech" is about as free as you'll get.
) how to read the other format. Glad you like it. You can get to it by typing, without quotes,
alt.religion.scientology
into a Google (has to be a Google) search. The format I found is link #6 on the first page. It Is a lot easier on the eyes. Now folks just have to figure out which posters are worth reading (IYO of course!) and which are trolls and CoS Ops/spammers - and there are HEAPS of the latter two there together with a bunch of cross-postings occasionally from other newsgroups, so it can appear to be a complete zoo. But the "speech" is about as free as you'll get.
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by almondjoy on Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:13 pm
It's funny cuz that's one place I haven't really explored and it's obviously a place where many key Co$-critics post. And, if I'm correct, there are people who post there that don't even post on OCMB.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I've no idea why I haven't been over there expect when following your great links.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I've no idea why I haven't been over there expect when following your great links.
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by Kerry on Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:34 am
Well it is time-consuming to wade through the spam over there if you're not sure who's who. Worth it! though, if you have a spare hour.
FYI: MARK BUNKER HAS A NEW BLOG:
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FYI: MARK BUNKER HAS A NEW BLOG:
http://xenutv.wordpress.com/
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by Kerry on Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:58 am
Mark Bunker's blog notes on Boston Legal's Scientology show:
"Scientology On Trial
At least on TV.
Last night, “Boston Legal” dealt with a Scientologist suing his former employer after being fired because of his religion. It’s an interesting time for Scientology. They have been battered by the media so hard this past year that some are now coming to their defense.
First “Nip/Tuck” develops an entire running subplot with cast members joining the group and now “Boston Legal” not only feels free to mention Scientology by name but also to tell the entire story of Xenu and OTIII and go into details on engrams and e-meters. Yes, they aren’t completely accurate but mentioning any of this in a prime time drama before Tom Cruise’s meltdown would have been unthinkable.
I have to say that if I had been on the jury, I would have sided with the Scientologist. They can believe anything they wish. I support their right to believe in Xenu while reserving the right to giggle about it. Beliefs aren’t what bother me. Hiding the beliefs until you’ve been bled dry of all your money or raiding someone’s home because they shared info about those beliefs are what bother me.
It’s a shame they didn’t use an example of a real life trial for the show. Any number of people have sued Scientology for forcing their employees to take Scientology courses. That’s a more interesting dilemma.
Or they could have showed how having Scientology enter a workplace can create real problems such as what happened to the dentists I interviewed in Chicago. They signed up for Hubbard management courses and before long, Scientologists were manning their office and turning things upside down.
But since this show was about a Scientology attorney, perhaps the most interesting angle would have been to use the real life example of attorney Merrell Vanier. Merrell was brought into Clearwater, Florida by Scientology for the express purpose of befriending Gabe Cazares at his country club and convincing Gabe to allow Merrell to handle his case against Scientology. Once Merrell was Gabe’s attorney, he purposely botched the case for Gabe. When this was uncovered, Merrell Vanier was disbarred.
That is a true and shining example of Scientology’s contempt for the legal system."
One comment so far on Mark's blog article - which I happen to agree with - though obviously I see where Mark's coming from. But that just isn't going to happen (yet) on a program on a commercial station on national TV, imo.
Comment on the article:
"One Comment on “Scientology On Trial
sam Says:
October 18th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
It would be nice if Scientologists were really as open about their beliefs as the Plaintiff in the show was. The sad truth is that the church is so tight lipped about their doctrines (which are slowly revealed to the initiate, level by level) that the vast majority of Scientologists have never heard about Xenu or many of the other things the man was fired for discussing.
Every time these secrets are revealed in the media, it wounds them deeply by turning away potential converts and potentially sparking doubt in the minds of members. I’m sure some who watched this episode will dig a little deeper and discover the scandalous criminal activities of the church; something far more fascinating and bizarre than any TV show.
For many years, Scientology was able to use the media to spin itself as something good. But now the truth is out. UFO cults and crime syndicates have never survived long under scrutiny. Unfortunately for those in charge of the Church of Scientology, it is both. And no press is good press, anymore."
P.S. There are important embedded links in Mark's blog review of Boston Legal. Click on link below for access to those links and the crucial Scientology information they lead to.
http://xenutv.wordpress.com/
"Scientology On Trial
At least on TV.
Last night, “Boston Legal” dealt with a Scientologist suing his former employer after being fired because of his religion. It’s an interesting time for Scientology. They have been battered by the media so hard this past year that some are now coming to their defense.
First “Nip/Tuck” develops an entire running subplot with cast members joining the group and now “Boston Legal” not only feels free to mention Scientology by name but also to tell the entire story of Xenu and OTIII and go into details on engrams and e-meters. Yes, they aren’t completely accurate but mentioning any of this in a prime time drama before Tom Cruise’s meltdown would have been unthinkable.
I have to say that if I had been on the jury, I would have sided with the Scientologist. They can believe anything they wish. I support their right to believe in Xenu while reserving the right to giggle about it. Beliefs aren’t what bother me. Hiding the beliefs until you’ve been bled dry of all your money or raiding someone’s home because they shared info about those beliefs are what bother me.
It’s a shame they didn’t use an example of a real life trial for the show. Any number of people have sued Scientology for forcing their employees to take Scientology courses. That’s a more interesting dilemma.
Or they could have showed how having Scientology enter a workplace can create real problems such as what happened to the dentists I interviewed in Chicago. They signed up for Hubbard management courses and before long, Scientologists were manning their office and turning things upside down.
But since this show was about a Scientology attorney, perhaps the most interesting angle would have been to use the real life example of attorney Merrell Vanier. Merrell was brought into Clearwater, Florida by Scientology for the express purpose of befriending Gabe Cazares at his country club and convincing Gabe to allow Merrell to handle his case against Scientology. Once Merrell was Gabe’s attorney, he purposely botched the case for Gabe. When this was uncovered, Merrell Vanier was disbarred.
That is a true and shining example of Scientology’s contempt for the legal system."
One comment so far on Mark's blog article - which I happen to agree with - though obviously I see where Mark's coming from. But that just isn't going to happen (yet) on a program on a commercial station on national TV, imo.
Comment on the article:
"One Comment on “Scientology On Trial
sam Says:
October 18th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
It would be nice if Scientologists were really as open about their beliefs as the Plaintiff in the show was. The sad truth is that the church is so tight lipped about their doctrines (which are slowly revealed to the initiate, level by level) that the vast majority of Scientologists have never heard about Xenu or many of the other things the man was fired for discussing.
Every time these secrets are revealed in the media, it wounds them deeply by turning away potential converts and potentially sparking doubt in the minds of members. I’m sure some who watched this episode will dig a little deeper and discover the scandalous criminal activities of the church; something far more fascinating and bizarre than any TV show.
For many years, Scientology was able to use the media to spin itself as something good. But now the truth is out. UFO cults and crime syndicates have never survived long under scrutiny. Unfortunately for those in charge of the Church of Scientology, it is both. And no press is good press, anymore."
P.S. There are important embedded links in Mark's blog review of Boston Legal. Click on link below for access to those links and the crucial Scientology information they lead to.
http://xenutv.wordpress.com/
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by almondjoy on Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:59 am
Kerry wrote:Boston Legal - enjoy.
http://www.xenutv.com/us/bostonlegal.htm
a.r.s. Thread About Boston Legal
THANK YOU!!
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by Kerry on Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:10 am
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by Kerry on Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:38 am
Hey almond, can I have peonies when I post Mark's work now? The thank yous are nice and everything, but I've been reading Scientology stuff for so long now I'm getting greedy 
.. oh wait, can I have a clear bracelet instead of peonies? changed my mind. 
BELOW IS ANOTHER GREAT NEW VID FROM MARK'S NEW BLOG. Seriously, I'd like to get some flowers to Mark and Vince and Dave and Tory and Greg in this instance, and, well, lots of other good folks who keep this critical agenda alive and kicking.
http://xenutv.wordpress.com/
.. oh wait, can I have a clear bracelet instead of peonies? changed my mind.
BELOW IS ANOTHER GREAT NEW VID FROM MARK'S NEW BLOG. Seriously, I'd like to get some flowers to Mark and Vince and Dave and Tory and Greg in this instance, and, well, lots of other good folks who keep this critical agenda alive and kicking.
http://xenutv.wordpress.com/
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by Kerry on Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:53 pm
"1 From: cultxpt
Date: Tues, Dec 26 2006 12:43 am
Groups: alt.religion.scientology
http://www.reddit.com
This is a site that gives a list of links they find interesting.
They've linked to Mark's "Scientology and the Clearwater Police" video.
Cool."
LaserClam, the Infamous a.r.s. Cult Spambot on this Thread Too LOL!
Date: Tues, Dec 26 2006 12:43 am
Groups: alt.religion.scientology
http://www.reddit.com
This is a site that gives a list of links they find interesting.
They've linked to Mark's "Scientology and the Clearwater Police" video.
Cool."
LaserClam, the Infamous a.r.s. Cult Spambot on this Thread Too LOL!
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by Kerry on Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:37 am
See the Vince Daniels thread for the latest skewering by Vince on his radio show tonight (northern hemisphere tonight, it's Sunday where I am! )
And what do you want to bet a.r.s. receives a huge statpush spam blitz starting any minute to drown out Vince's latest show on Narconon. The idiots think they can control free speech.
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And what do you want to bet a.r.s. receives a huge statpush spam blitz starting any minute to drown out Vince's latest show on Narconon. The idiots think they can control free speech.
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